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Friday, July 13, 2012
9:36 PM - BigPD7: Hey PE m8 :)
9:36 PM - PresidentEden78: Sup!
9:36 PM - Jura: Too bad we can't get 3R on here
9:36 PM - Jura: Anyway, down to brass tacks...
9:37 PM - Jura: We've already basically determined that nobody has a log of the last set of events.
9:37 PM - PresidentEden78: I've at least compiled a second-hand report dfrom multiple people
9:37 PM - Jura: I'm not that thorough lol
9:38 PM - PresidentEden78: Well I am, lol
9:38 PM - BigPD7: so, what do you know about it?
9:38 PM - Jura: brb, gunna shut down my game so that the music stops.
9:38 PM - PresidentEden78: I've got Ramp's side, Joes side, PSK's side, Bravo's side, and Yuri's side of whats happened
9:38 PM - Jura: Back.
9:38 PM - PresidentEden78: And Charcoal posted a bit on my talk page
9:39 PM - BigPD7: saw Charcoal's reply about it
9:39 PM - Jura: I dunno about this whole damn thing.
9:39 PM - BigPD7: don't know of either Ramp's, Joe's or Bravo's
9:39 PM - Jura: It's kinda stressing out my wiki-mind LOL
9:40 PM - Jura: Pedro: basically, it's been a number of altercations between Rampant and Tywin.
9:41 PM - BigPD7: Yeah, I've had seen some on your talk pages
9:41 PM - PresidentEden78: =Rampantlion513=
My story is that I just joined tywin's game and his friends happen to be there. I call car noob (friendly) and his friend ODDJOB calls me a pathetic cunt and mutes me. Then he unmutes me to cause flamebait. Tywin and hsi friend make fun of me, so I leave and defriend tywin. I block his friend, too. Anyways tywin tells car to make an account (which you banned) he also tells ODDJOB to make an account to troll me. Rampantisanoob is banned, so car creates a new account, carcrazcid. tywin does not ban the sockpuppet (not doing his job) and car and ODDJOB proceed to troll me. Car is banned and ODDJOB is kicked
==From Yuri's Talk Page==
Ok Yuri, I have other sources for this. A guy named Rampantlion513isaNOOB joined chat. Charcoal promptly banned him. Then he came back as Carcrazcid (sockpuppet) and tywin did not ban him. Tywin also called his friend XxODDJOBxX up and told him to join wiki and troll me. He also told this to Carcrazcid. What I am saying is that tywin didn't do his job and was immature. I hope you take this into consideration. PSKWhirled is my other source
Wrong. They were asshats to ME. I join and ODDJOB mutes me. I did not block you either. I never said you were not a bad person. I said that if you wanted to have mood swings that is fine but I do not want any part of it.
==From My Talk Page==
You know how Carcrazcid and ODDJOB said they didn't know me before I joined chat? I woke up to something pleasant today. ODDJOB and Carcrazcid commented on my most recent Youtube video, a glitch on The Eleventh Hour. ODDJOB says this: You point a camera at your tv to record? How lame/noobish are you? And only noobs use glitches, uso u suck at recording and at life. Carcrazcid says this: You are such a wiki noob. For two guys who don't seem to know me, I think something is up. IIRC tywin said he would call off his dogs but he didn't.
I don't care. I can't ignore this when they keep spamming everything I have with comments like this. And I thought that we already established that I joi
9:41 PM - PresidentEden78: Derp, put it in the wrong place... too many chats open
9:41 PM - PresidentEden78: but thats all the stuff i've compiled
9:41 PM - PresidentEden78: was thinking of making it a forum post, hence the section headers
9:42 PM - Jura: That's not a good idea.
9:42 PM - PresidentEden78: Yeah, thats why I havent done that
9:42 PM - Jura: The internet turns into a lynchmob when people are allowed to discuss such things.
9:42 PM - PresidentEden78: Thought about it, but decided against it
9:42 PM - PresidentEden78: And yeah, thats for sure
9:42 PM - BigPD7: I'm reading what PE placed above, one sec
9:43 PM - PresidentEden78: damn, thats only ramps part...
9:44 PM - PresidentEden78: part 2 incoming
9:44 PM - PresidentEden78: ned you and then ODDJOB just muted me right off the bat.
Yes but YOU made it BF Wikis problem by telling your friends to get on. How in the world did they know to make a wikia account right when the dust kicked up? I did block them but I didn't delete their comments as proof.
Our problem? No no, you are involved in this too. Don't act like you are now a bystander. I never asked you to reply, either
=Slopijoe=
Basically ramp threw a bitch fit at my friends so I muted him
And I didnt want to take any sides so I muted him and I resumed to play my game
But he says that im not a good friend (my friends who were added when in 09) and he decided to defriend and block me
and for the bitch slap he decided just for that I didnt block a few people who were telling there storys so he accuses me of being a bad shat mod and Admin
But I want everyoones side so yea
I didnt do anything wrong I was dragged into this
==From Yuri's Talk Page==
You were acting like an asshat to my friends (Which I have been friends for two years). So I muted you and i wanted no part in it. Then you decided to block me and defriend me, and acting like a damn jerk so I took my side with the right people. So I'm a bad person for taking the opposing side?
==From My Talk Page==
Dude there not "my dogs". They feel like you should get trolled for what you did or is it that hard for you to ignore this
Its YOUR problem, not BF wikis.
Our problem? No no, you are involved in this too. Don't act like you are now a bystander. I never asked you to reply, either.
=PSKwhirled=
Hold up.
I haven't had any PMs, but I know that they each were instigating.
Judging from memory.
Everyone had a view of being better at BF3 essentially, I would've joked.
But some insults were thrown around.
Again, I haven't gotten any PMs, so I don't know what kind of provocative messages were spread.
These guys being, Charcoal, Tywin, Ops, and Ramp
=Yuri=
PE, as far as I'm aware it's only been over the past week
if even that long
As for how i
9:44 PM - PresidentEden78: t got started, the two have some disagreement or another and get into it.
==From My Talk Page==
Both of you'd better STFU before preliminary banning occurs.
==From Joe's Talk Page==
For being excessively argumentative and for bringing IRL business onto the wiki for the purpose of exacerbating an existing dispute. Chat-ban expires in 1 month.
I've had enough to hear about the "he said - she said" bullshit, and I will not tolerate it anymore. Slopijoe, if you do not cease and desist immediately, I will have you exempted from RFA, you will be blocked, and I will personally ensure that you never have a chance at administrative flags again. I don't care if you think I'm stepping over the line, I trusted you and to have my trust betrayed in such a way is... incomprehensible.
If you become an admin, you cannot ever abuse your powers, even if you're in an emotional dispute with another user. If you do, I will make sure that you can never show your face around here again. Damned be the consequences.
Do we have an understanding?
==From Ramp's Talk Page==
For being excessively argumentative and for bringing IRL business onto the wiki for the purpose of exacerbating an existing dispute
Additionally, you (and he) will be banned from the wiki altogether unless you cease and desist immediately. We've had enough bad blood with users here to the point where, at the very least, I'm tired of it.
A month.
=BravoAplhaSix (from Yuri's Talk page)=
Uhm, just to add a neutral side, both sides (Ramp vs. Slopi and his friends) did show a rather large amount of immaturity. Slopi's "real" friends did chew Ramp and Ramp did chew them out. Both sides broke Rules # 5,6, and 8 (Of the code of conduct) the I don't know about the sock-puppetry account as Rampantlion513isaNOOB was banned from what I saw
9:45 PM - Jura: I think we ought to consider the non-wiki portion of this issue
9:45 PM - Jura: I know I've been saying that we ought not do just that, but I think now it's so intertwined that we need to take EVERYTHING into consideration.
9:46 PM - PresidentEden78: Yeah, and this is only what has been on the wiki
9:46 PM - PresidentEden78: I dont have anything anout whats been on Ramp's YT page or anything else
9:46 PM - Jura: If we're unlucky, Rampant has already deleted the troll comment.
9:47 PM - Jura: I'll see about finding it though.
9:47 PM - Jura: Also, Azuris came onto the chat earlier
9:47 PM - Jura: He was telling me that Rampant had gone to the CoD wiki chat after being banned from ours
9:47 PM - Jura: And apparently he was "very mad" about the ban.
9:47 PM - Jura: That infers to me that he's displaying immaturity
9:47 PM - Jura: More than I had originally believe, anyhow
9:48 PM - BigPD7: Well, apparently both descended to a record of immature far from known
9:48 PM - BigPD7: From what I see, it's really Tywin's friends who fed up these flames, and the two fell down to the same level
9:48 PM - PresidentEden78: Thats what i've gathered
9:49 PM - PresidentEden78: Somebody even said it stareted over something about whose better at BF3, which is just ridiculous
9:49 PM - Jura: Okay, so Rampant hasn't yet deleted the troll convo on youtube.
9:49 PM - BigPD7: link please?
9:49 PM - Jura: It started because Rampant said something rude to one of Tywin's friends, and tywin's friend took offence.
9:50 PM - Jura: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3XE0SE-j4U&list=UULFje8QiiwrggoSOzZxzsRw
9:50 PM - BigPD7: ty
9:51 PM - Jura: It's like the last couple comments.
9:51 PM - Jura: I'll record that stuff.
9:52 PM - PresidentEden78: Kks.
9:53 PM - BigPD7: I'm still amazed on how peeps waste their time in these type of arguments, lol
9:54 PM - Jura: Coming from first-hand experience, it's easy to get wrapped up in emotion when dealing with opposition.
9:55 PM - BigPD7: I'm guessing so
9:55 PM - PresidentEden78: Yeah, but they are being immature
9:56 PM - PresidentEden78: so what if you're called a noob
9:56 PM - PresidentEden78: no need to start a flame war over it
9:56 PM - Jura: See, we weren't there, so we don't know if that was all that Rampant said.
9:57 PM - BigPD7: No comments are marked as deleted, though
9:57 PM - Jura: I'm going to PM Tywin's friends and ask them on YouTube if they were told to attack Rampant by Tywin.
9:57 PM - Jura: I meant on the game where this all originated.
9:58 PM - BigPD7: We can tell that it was Tywin's mates that started to flame up Ramp, which started this bloody war
9:59 PM - BigPD7: What would be useful to know is how Tywin's mates got to know Ramp was at our Wiki
9:59 PM - Jura: But that wouldn't have happened if Rampant hadn't been rude to Tywin's friends in the first place.
10:01 PM - BigPD7: "Eden says that he won't ban me because the investigation isn't over yet." - This quote is what kind of intrigues me
10:01 PM - PresidentEden78: Joe obviously told them about the wiki
10:01 PM - PresidentEden78: That was yesterday
10:01 PM - PresidentEden78: Before this escalated
10:02 PM - PresidentEden78: I figured it'd be over that night, but noep
10:02 PM - BigPD7: For one, that makes Joe responsible for the flame war reaching the wiki
10:03 PM - BigPD7: they could've kept it for themselves, instead of making us discuss about it at bloody 3 AM
10:03 PM - Jura: Wait a sec.
10:03 PM - Jura: I'm asking Tywin what happened that day.
10:04 PM - PresidentEden78: Oh yeah, you're like 5 hours ahead of us...
10:04 PM - BigPD7: yep :p
10:04 PM - PresidentEden78: Yeah, I can't blame you for being pissed about that then
10:04 PM - Jura: Heh, sorry pedro
10:05 PM - BigPD7: No problem m8, I just want to have this problem solved
10:05 PM - Jura: As do I
10:05 PM - PresidentEden78: Same
10:06 PM - BigPD7: so, did Tywin reply?
10:06 PM - Jura: I'm drilling him.
10:07 PM - Jura: He said that they knew about the wiki because they were looking up how to do an easter egg.
10:08 PM - BigPD7: that doesn't explain how they knew Ramp was in it
10:08 PM - PresidentEden78: Huh.
10:08 PM - PresidentEden78: What Easter egg though?
10:08 PM - Jura: Wait a sec.
10:08 PM - Jura: It was the Shangri-La one
10:08 PM - PresidentEden78: They couldve seen his name in the recent wiki activity
10:09 PM - PresidentEden78: Shangri La one?
10:09 PM - PresidentEden78: Or is this on CoD Wiki?
10:09 PM - Jura: According to Tywin, the argument that started it was actually between Rampant and Oddjob.
10:09 PM - Jura: From the CoD wiki
10:09 PM - PresidentEden78: Ah.
10:09 PM - BigPD7: peeps looking for Wiki content trend to ignore users and activity m8
10:09 PM - Jura: the way they got from CoD wiki to BF wiki is kinda confusing, though.
10:09 PM - Jura: I know that.
10:09 PM - Jura: I'm not taking it at face value
10:09 PM - BigPD7: was replying to PE lol
10:10 PM - Jura: So, Rampant and Carzcrazkid were joking around, Oddjob jumped in, and after they argued Rampant left and deleted/blocked Tywin.
10:11 PM - PresidentEden78: What was the argument about?
10:11 PM - PresidentEden78: Cuz that part is still unclear for me
10:11 PM - BigPD7: Good point....
10:11 PM - Jura: Honestly, I dunno
10:11 PM - Jura: Tywin says he muted them.
10:12 PM - PresidentEden78: Ugh...
10:12 PM - PresidentEden78: I'd like to know if it was a case of harassment, or a friendly argument gone wrong
10:12 PM - PresidentEden78: but guess I won't know for sure unless ramp talks
10:13 PM - Jura: We can't trust either one of them.
10:13 PM - PresidentEden78: And judging by how he's been acting, he wont tell the entire story
10:13 PM - PresidentEden78: Yeah, that...
10:14 PM - PresidentEden78: Would ODDJOB or Carcarzid (or however you spell that) be of any help?
10:14 PM - BigPD7: that's one problem we're having, but we have another.......
10:14 PM - Jura: I dunno.
10:14 PM - BigPD7: Don't think so, they're on Joe's side
10:14 PM - Jura: I'm half-tempted to PM them on Youtube.
10:14 PM - PresidentEden78: Go for it Yuri, but don't play bad cop just yet.
10:14 PM - Jura: On the other hand, they may totally ignore us.
10:14 PM - PresidentEden78: Still worth a shot
10:15 PM - BigPD7: I guess I agree
10:15 PM - PresidentEden78: You could almost dupe them like try to appeal to their side
10:15 PM - BigPD7: but lads, I think we have one more problem here
10:16 PM - BigPD7: Tywin's RfA..... how are we dealing with it, with this apparent behavour?
10:18 PM - BigPD7: it is clearly breaking our BF:FLAME policy
10:18 PM - Jura: What do you think, PE?
10:18 PM - Jura: I still want to give him a chance.
10:18 PM - Jura: I mean, I can empathize with him -- I've had a bad argument like that before.
10:19 PM - PresidentEden78: I've suspended the RFA until we figure this out
10:19 PM - BigPD7: Looks good.
10:19 PM - PresidentEden78: But I'd really like to know what the argument was about to figure out how it went downhill
10:19 PM - Jura: I asked Tywin's friends about it.
10:19 PM - Jura: Waiting for a response.
10:20 PM - PresidentEden78: I'd like to give Joe a chance, but what would we do with Ramp?
10:20 PM - Jura: What can we do?
10:20 PM - PresidentEden78: I guess it depends on how the argument went...
10:21 PM - PresidentEden78: If Ramp made attacks against Joe's friends, then that wouldnt be good for him
10:21 PM - PresidentEden78: But if it was mosty him getting attacked, that would make Joe look bad
10:21 PM - BigPD7: It usually doesn't matter how it started, as it is due to the fact someone punched back, and vice versa that these arguments escalate
10:23 PM - BigPD7: what we need to get to know was each other's roles in this confrontation and give the respective penalties
10:23 PM - PresidentEden78: And hopefully Joes friends can help us out on this
10:23 PM - Jura: If Tywin is to be believed, it was mostly his friends who were belligerents here.
10:24 PM - PresidentEden78: Ramp says that Joe allegedly sent them against him
10:24 PM - PresidentEden78: and proceeded to let them attack him rather then call them off
10:25 PM - BigPD7: the fact that according to Ramp, sockpuppets from Tywin's friends came up on chats to troll in and Tywin didn't react on banning makes him responsible too
10:25 PM - Jura: Can one really be punished for a lack of action as much for a negative action?
10:26 PM - Jura: I've never liked those bystander laws, and frankly in my opinion, it's just as likely that Tywin was AFK as he was not intervening.
10:26 PM - Jura: But we don't know for certain.
10:26 PM - BigPD7: that can be true
10:28 PM - PresidentEden78: I love how I thought this would be simple and taken care of
10:28 PM - PresidentEden78: But instead, we have to deal with these guys' shenanigans
10:28 PM - Jura: Same
10:29 PM - BigPD7: Well, you can't complain while I'm in the same page with 5 hours of difference lol
10:29 PM - Jura: It's still late over here lol
10:29 PM - Jura: Late is lat
10:29 PM - Jura: *late
10:29 PM - PresidentEden78: 10:30 isnt that late
10:29 PM - Jura: only reason I'm doing this now is because it's a fucking Friday
10:29 PM - PresidentEden78: Good thing, lol
10:30 PM - PresidentEden78: Hasnt Joe had a history of insubordination in chat, IIRC?
10:30 PM - BigPD7: at least everyone at home fell completley asleep, so not bothering anyone
10:30 PM - Jura: No
10:30 PM - Jura: Not usually
10:30 PM - Jura: Typically they're all pretty docile
10:31 PM - BigPD7: He's had that episode where he banned BBP09 'for teh lulz'
10:31 PM - Jura: I think that was intended to be a joke.
10:31 PM - BigPD7: It was
10:31 PM - PresidentEden78: BBP seemed to take it seriously though
10:31 PM - Jura: It's like what PGB did to my userpage a while ago.
10:31 PM - Jura: Wait a sec.
10:32 PM - PresidentEden78: PGB... Now theres a name that brings rage.
10:32 PM - BigPD7: so did Charcoal, but that mate apparently gets butthurt and stays in memory easily tbh
10:32 PM - BigPD7: oh PGB lol
10:32 PM - Jura: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:YuriKaslov#Just_a_joke.
10:33 PM - PresidentEden78: ^ Whats that supposed to be for?
10:33 PM - BigPD7: "you silly banana" lmao
10:33 PM - Jura: That's about what PGB said to me
10:33 PM - Jura: just look at my response on his talk page
10:34 PM - Jura: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Johnny_McAppleSeed#So_help_me_God
10:34 PM - PresidentEden78: What exactly did he do that pissed you off so much?
10:35 PM - Jura: He vandalized my page.
10:35 PM - BigPD7: oh wow
10:36 PM - BigPD7: That's kind of rude in any way lol
10:37 PM - BigPD7: Back on topic.....
10:37 PM - Jura: It's that he meant it as a joke,a nd I lashed out at him.
10:37 PM - PresidentEden78: Ah.
10:37 PM - PresidentEden78: Similar case to BBP then
10:37 PM - Jura: Ja
10:37 PM - PresidentEden78: But have we any response from Joe's friends?
10:38 PM - PresidentEden78: Imma guess no, but I'm hopeful
10:38 PM - Jura: Not yet.
10:38 PM - PresidentEden78: :/ Figured.
10:38 PM - BigPD7: but moving on a bit, I do have a bit of the impression that Ramp is a bit offensive onto some lads
10:39 PM - Jura: He's displayed idiocy before, not like it's really anything new.
10:39 PM - BigPD7: http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/JNG-90?diff=prev&oldid=175349
10:39 PM - PresidentEden78: Yeah, I saw your response for that remark he made
10:39 PM - BigPD7: it may be this type of responses that may make him a cause of flame wars like this
10:40 PM - PresidentEden78: Obviously bever saw the good faith thing...
10:40 PM - PresidentEden78: And its very possible
10:40 PM - BigPD7: When I first saw it I was feeling to fly over his home and give him an high five
10:40 PM - BigPD7: in the face
10:40 PM - BigPD7: with my frying pan
10:41 PM - Jura: LOL
10:41 PM - BigPD7: ... :P
10:41 PM - PresidentEden78: Lol, that was good!
10:41 PM - PresidentEden78: Would be quite an expensive truip to NY for just that
10:42 PM - PresidentEden78: At least, I'm assuiming he lives in NY cuz of his NY news reports...
10:42 PM - BigPD7: lol
10:42 PM - Jura: Accoring to PSK and Charcoal, Rampant was trying to drag the issue out further.
10:42 PM - PresidentEden78: I'd believe that
10:42 PM - PresidentEden78: He acts like he didnt do anything wrong
10:43 PM - PresidentEden78: so he drags it out to try and get the others to look bad, when in turn he looks worse
10:43 PM - PresidentEden78: Sounds like something he'd doi, judging his character.
10:43 PM - BigPD7: It's what I thought about it, TBQH
10:44 PM - Jura: He was also trying to get Charcoal on his side.
10:44 PM - BigPD7: "Thank you for this glamorous piece of evidence to use against you. And You "Didn't even know me." Thank You!" - Ramp's reply on OddJob
10:45 PM - PresidentEden78: Trying to gather allies, typical
10:45 PM - Jura: Apparently, Oddjob was trying to get off the subject of the argument.
10:45 PM - PresidentEden78: That would implicate Ramp as the agitator
10:46 PM - PresidentEden78: and thus put him at fault for it getting larger than it should be
10:46 PM - BigPD7: I agree
10:47 PM - BigPD7: Well lads, it's a quarter to 4 AM here
10:47 PM - BigPD7: I think I may go to sleep now
10:47 PM - Jura: That's fine.
10:47 PM - PresidentEden78: Fair enough
10:47 PM - Jura: I'll keep harassing PE for a few more hours :D
10:47 PM - Jura: lol
10:47 PM - Jura: bye
10:47 PM - PresidentEden78: Cya, Pedro
10:47 PM - BigPD7: I'll copypasta the convo so that it is on record
10:47 PM - Jura: ok
10:47 PM - BigPD7: See you mates, good night!
10:48 PM - PresidentEden78: Yeah, I got timestam[ps going, so I'll do the same for this one
10:48 PM - PresidentEden78: Cya!
10:48 PM - BigPD7: Me too :)
10:48 PM - Jura: wat
10:48 PM - Jura: ?
10:48 PM - BigPD7: Bye
10:48 PM - Jura: o
10:48 PM - Jura: ic
10:48 PM - PresidentEden78: Lol
10:49 PM - Jura: Qw3rty's going to give me some of what Rampant said on the CoD wiki chat a while ago.
10:49 PM - BigPD7: Alright, got everything recorded
10:49 PM - BigPD7: PE, you can copypasta from here ;)
10:49 PM - BigPD7: BB
10:49 PM - PresidentEden78: yep, I will
10:49 PM - Jura: bai
10:50 PM - BigPD7: CU tomorrow
BigPD7 left chat.
10:50 PM - PresidentEden78: When's Q3rty gonna givre you that info?
10:51 PM - Jura: Soon, hopefully.
10:51 PM - Jura: lol
10:51 PM - PresidentEden78: Yeah, hopefully
10:51 PM - Jura: He's going to PM it to me on the Wiki chat
10:51 PM - PresidentEden78: Kks.
10:51 PM - PresidentEden78: I'd like to resolve this tinight, so hopefully we can gather the info we need
10:52 PM - PresidentEden78: Certainly not looking good for Ramp tho
10:52 PM - Jura: I know.
10:52 PM - PresidentEden78: And I feel bad about that since he seems like a nice guy
10:53 PM - Jura: I don't, lol
10:53 PM - Jura: I've known Rampant the longest out of all of the active users here.
10:53 PM - Jura: He could be an asshat even back then.
10:53 PM - PresidentEden78: Guess I've only seen his good side till now
10:54 PM - PresidentEden78: But I'm seen as the big scary overlord of the wiki, so theres that
10:54 PM - Jura: We could make a sockpuppet and lurk on the chat waiting for some info on the argument.
10:54 PM - PresidentEden78: Or we could get Maxwell
10:55 PM - Jura: I suppose, but I haven't seen him around in a while
10:55 PM - PresidentEden78: True, and he can be hard to understand...
10:55 PM - Jura: He is Norwegian.
10:55 PM - PresidentEden78: Probs the main reason, lol.
10:56 PM - Jura: ja lol
10:58 PM - PresidentEden78: Not sure if making a sockpuppet for the sake of investigation is the best idea though
11:00 PM - Jura: http://pastebin.com/htxSy4Rm
11:00 PM - Jura: Not much
11:00 PM - PresidentEden78: Better than nothing
11:01 PM - Jura: He's just regurgitating shit
11:01 PM - Jura: And I'm glad to see that Azuris was defending me.
11:02 PM - PresidentEden78: Still reading through it, but Ramp's whining about his problem moar
11:03 PM - Jura: Ya don't say?
11:04 PM - Jura: Whats he saying?
11:05 PM - PresidentEden78: Pretty much seems like he thinks we're overracting
11:05 PM - PresidentEden78: We've dealt with massive cased before
11:05 PM - PresidentEden78: PGB/TMOI was the biggest
11:05 PM - PresidentEden78: Then Littlenemo was aproblem
11:05 PM - PresidentEden78: And now this
11:06 PM - PresidentEden78: Also seems like he thinks the investigation is a joke
11:06 PM - PresidentEden78: Doesn't realize the severity of this
11:07 PM - Jura: http://pastebin.com/xApRBpm1
11:07 PM - Jura: You don't fucking say?
11:07 PM - Jura: Christ, what a child.
11:07 PM - PresidentEden78: Yeah, he's immature
11:07 PM - PresidentEden78: I want to finish reading this, but he's at fault AFAIK
11:08 PM - Jura: http://pastebin.com/LkJCKY6F
11:08 PM - Jura: That's the chat I've been ahving
11:08 PM - Jura: So what do you think?
11:08 PM - PresidentEden78: damn, soo much text....
11:08 PM - PresidentEden78: Gimme a min, I'm a slow reader, lol
11:09 PM - Jura: you don't have to read that, it's for posterity's sake
11:11 PM - PresidentEden78: Yeah, but I am, lol
11:11 PM - PresidentEden78: People didnt want to hear about it over there though
11:11 PM - PresidentEden78: Funny
11:11 PM - Jura: I know
11:12 PM - Jura: Okay, I think we've done about as much as we possibly could in terms of gathering information
11:12 PM - PresidentEden78: Pretty much
11:12 PM - PresidentEden78: Unless youve got a response from Joes friends
11:12 PM - PresidentEden78: Not that it will really help at this point for Ramp's case
11:13 PM - Jura: Nope. not now
11:13 PM - Jura: anyway
11:13 PM - Jura: brb
11:13 PM - Jura: think about stuff for a sec, illl be right back
11:13 PM - PresidentEden78: Kks.
11:16 PM - PresidentEden78: Hmm, actually just though of something for future stuff. I wonder if it would be possible to have a chatbot that logs chats every so often
11:17 PM - PresidentEden78: And then you could access them from an archive or something
11:17 PM - Jura: back
11:17 PM - PresidentEden78: I wonder if Sactage could set up URL to fo that...
11:17 PM - Jura: i dunno
11:17 PM - PresidentEden78: I might ask him about it, but regardless
11:17 PM - Jura: Anyway, what's the verdict?
11:18 PM - Jura: What should we do?
11:18 PM - PresidentEden78: Ramp is definitely dragging this out more than it needs to, trying to get people on his side
11:18 PM - PresidentEden78: Let's see what he's broken per the code
11:19 PM - Jura: Obviously the whole first section of the Code of Conduct
11:19 PM - PresidentEden78: Yeah.
11:19 PM - Jura: Good faith, civility, DBAD, trolling...
11:20 PM - Jura: Though, good faith is more as an aside
11:20 PM - PresidentEden78: True
11:21 PM - Jura: Tywin has violated Civility and Trolling
11:22 PM - PresidentEden78: I'd say hes at minor offense, while Ramp's at Moderate discipline
Jura disconnected.
11:22 PM - PresidentEden78: Aww...
Jura entered chat.
11:23 PM - PresidentEden78: Y u disconnect tho?
11:24 PM - Jura: my damn internet lagged for a sec
11:24 PM - PresidentEden78: Ah.
11:24 PM - PresidentEden78: did it kill the whole chat for you or no?
11:24 PM - Jura: no
11:24 PM - PresidentEden78: as in, make the convo disappear
11:24 PM - Jura: Anyway, back on subject
11:24 PM - PresidentEden78: ah
11:25 PM - PresidentEden78: Ypou think we should block Ramp for this or no?
11:25 PM - Jura: I dunno.
11:25 PM - PresidentEden78: I'm thinking probs a 3-day, with them both being banned from chat for a week
11:25 PM - PresidentEden78: but no block for Joe
11:26 PM - Jura: Okay
11:26 PM - Jura: But what about the RFA?
11:26 PM - PresidentEden78: Thats an interesting one to deal with...
11:26 PM - PresidentEden78: Its suspended as of now
11:27 PM - Jura: I still think we should give him a chance.
11:27 PM - PresidentEden78: I dont exactly want to cancel it but I think we may have to call for a re-vote
11:27 PM - Jura: I can understand that
11:27 PM - Jura: We'll have to publish all of our findings though...
11:27 PM - PresidentEden78: But i have a good idea of what Ramp's done, dragging this shit out
11:28 PM - PresidentEden78: On the other hand, what has Joew done?
11:28 PM - PresidentEden78: All it seems is that he didnt ewant this to escalate
11:28 PM - PresidentEden78: and his friends got mad at Ramp for being an ass
11:28 PM - Jura: Same with his friends, from all accounts at least in terms of what PSK and Charcoal have told us
11:29 PM - PresidentEden78: And yeah, we will have to post our findings.
11:29 PM - PresidentEden78: Would be nice if we could maie this a wiki court case with a jury and whatnot, but meh
11:29 PM - PresidentEden78: Don't have enough people on the wiki who arent involved to make an unbiased jury
11:30 PM - PresidentEden78: And where would we put all of our findings?
11:30 PM - PresidentEden78: A pastebin link? on the Wiki?
11:31 PM - Jura: We'd post it in a separate forum and link the forum to the RFA
11:31 PM - PresidentEden78: Fair enough
11:31 PM - Jura: Should we do so now?
11:31 PM - PresidentEden78: Should put the findings in an archive temp to discourage editing
11:32 PM - PresidentEden78: Miught as well, but we'll need Pedro's log
11:32 PM - PresidentEden78: unless that was of here...
11:32 PM - Jura: That was of here
11:32 PM - PresidentEden78: Ah, so i can cover it then
11:32 PM - PresidentEden78: Want me to make it?
11:32 PM - Jura: ja
11:32 PM - Jura: If you don't mind.
11:32 PM - PresidentEden78: Kks.
11:33 PM - PresidentEden78: What should it be titled thoguh?
11:33 PM - Jura: Something professional and easy to understand
11:33 PM - PresidentEden78: Lolm, was looking for ideas... :P
11:34 PM - Jura: To the kilter of "On the recent debacle"
11:34 PM - Jura: or something like that
11:34 PM - PresidentEden78: Rampantlion513 v. Slopijoe + 2
11:36 PM - PresidentEden78: Wait, I though we were against the idea of posting our findings on the wiki....
11:36 PM - PresidentEden78: Or was that before we've come to a decision
11:36 PM - Jura: no...?
11:36 PM - Jura: Ja, before we got a decision
11:36 PM - PresidentEden78: Fair enough then.
11:37 PM - Jura: Wait a sec
11:37 PM - Jura: before posting
11:37 PM - Jura: I think a 3-day block is too lenient
11:37 PM - PresidentEden78: ?
11:37 PM - PresidentEden78: Really?
11:37 PM - PresidentEden78: week or more?
11:37 PM - Jura: I generally block up to 3 days for multi-vandalism
11:37 PM - Jura: I say a week
11:37 PM - Jura: for all the grief they've caused us
11:37 PM - PresidentEden78: True.
11:37 PM - Jura: And Tywin should have his chat-mod status cleared.
11:38 PM - PresidentEden78: Definitely
11:38 PM - PresidentEden78: Want me to put the results in as well?
11:38 PM - Jura: These results?
11:38 PM - Jura: Yes
11:38 PM - PresidentEden78: kks
11:38 PM - Jura: And, I had to clear tywin's chatmod status just to chatban him
11:38 PM - Jura: so, that's already good to go
11:39 PM - Jura: we just need to make it official
11:39 PM - PresidentEden78: Kks.
11:41 PM - PresidentEden78: You good with a week chatban for both of them or want to leave it ar a month?
11:41 PM - Jura: I dunno
11:41 PM - Jura: what do you think?
11:41 PM - Jura: Rampant thought it was excessive...
11:41 PM - Jura: not like i really care, but...
11:41 PM - PresidentEden78: A month would be really extreme
11:41 PM - PresidentEden78: I dont either, but they must if they use it
11:42 PM - PresidentEden78: Policy says to keep chatbans to the same time as bans, so i guess a week is good for Ramp
11:42 PM - PresidentEden78: joe will just have to deal with it
11:43 PM - Jura: Okay.