Going Back to Karkand 4 - pack design
Ok, so those who remember back to the days before the release of epic-game-of-awesomeness1 Battlefield 3 will remember the Battlefield Blog's "Battleblogs", most of which Bovell, PredEden, myself and others covered over the time when they were released. However, one that we didn't catch up on was the Going Back to Karkand blogs. Yet now, four blogs down the pipeline, here's the summary of GBtK #4 - the design behind the expansion pack.
Why Back to Karkand?
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The idea for Back to Karkand was and has not been original within the series. Bad Company 2 went back to 'Nam, and had two of the community's favourite maps from BF:BC during the final two map/expansion pack releases during late 2010. And the choice to go back to four classic Battlefield 2 maps went along the same lines. However, as the blog puts it, the "idea for the expansion pack was to let players revisit these classic maps as if time had passed by since they last played them in Battlefield 2." Hence the fact that, on Gulf of Oman, we now have luxury villas close to the beach, and next to the airport on Wake Island, we have a conference centre. However, I doubt any conference there would last long once BBP flies past in his AH-6...
Niklas Fegraeus, lead designer on the Back to Karkand pack, said "I want returning players to get the sense that these are cool new maps, and then suddenly realize they know them by heart. The feeling should be new, but the actual map layout the same as before. For newcomers, these are simply four brilliant maps" when asked by the blog team for a quote.
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However, those stuck by their own opinions to the days of Refractor 2 will find that the four maps aren't as nice - or would that be level - as they were back in 2005. Many critics of Battlefield 3's multiplayer claimed that Destruction 3.0 wasn't extensive enough. Not enough buildings could be brought down, etc. Not in Karkand. The BtK development team is working full on to make full use of D3.0, making sure most of the maps can be turned into rubble.
Whaddya know about rubble, critics?2
As well as the new maps, we have five new dogtags, three new vehicles, 10 classic weapons (inc. the L85. British dominance will be asserted...) and, check this, a new "persistence system where players complete assignments to earn their rewards." All I can say is, watch this space/ the Battlefield blog for more information in the weeks running up to the pack's release in Winter. HP out... 
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will there be other free DLC like in BFBC2
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ho any mexicans are there i don't buy unless there's 20 mexicnas
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how many MBs does this take up
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the BtK pack? We simply don't know yet...
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No MP5. -_-
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wait, what?
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It was phased out of the pack.
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It's supposedly and HK53...
TBH I wish they'd do a bullpup version of the HK33. I forgot what it's called, but it looks badass.
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speaking of destruction...has anyone actually destroyed the tower on caspian yet?
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I believe it isn't possible to do so. I have tried using rocket pods, tank shells, C4, and even crashing the jets into the tower. Seems it is only visible in Rock and a Hard Place (in the background)
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but the trailer!!!!
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Trailers aren't all truthful. Take a look at Call of Duty for instance...
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Yuri, did you try crashing a jet into it rigged with C4 and doing a 360 noscope with the SMAW?
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I saw the javelin comment and I was just thinking that was impossible, lol.
Nah, never did that. Don't really want to try; jets are useless.
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They are compared to Helicopters.
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Compared to... everything.
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They are Yuri, even though I am missing *one* unlock and it will kill me to get it. No good air-to-ground except for the gun of ground-attack fighters
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in general jets are useless...but in the right hands...i.e. mine i make them sort of useful lol
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Jets at start are pretty useless, and DICE stated they're working on that. But once you get Rocket Pods and all etc. they are great for support if you know how to pilot them
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would be "back to Iwo Jima" not possible too, it would make the game more like the old times
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There's nothing on iwo jima Except a small JSDF airfield. Other then that nothing. But do want.
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^ Why would the Russians be interested in it, then?
There's a small airfield over there that's lightly guarded, let's send a battalion in!
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finally more destruction ugh!!!!
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How about a Leopard 2? or a MIG-21?
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Mig 21 is out of date it's used by a few ME country.
Leopard 2 is used by a few European countries. But do want
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MiG-21 wasn't even in BF2, the MiG-29 was though
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this is supposedly to go back to the OG
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if the leapoard 2 or k2 tanks r gunna be in any expansion pack in bf3 ill seriousli jizz mi pants. and the mi 24 would be nice as well as an ac-130
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Off topic How do you get BF1943 on PS3? I thought Sony said that people who owned BF3 could get BF1943.
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They switched that up so you can get all DLC, including Back to Karkand, a week earlier than Xbox and PC. So no BF1943...
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You'd think that would have been thrown out there. I was wondering too.
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DICE thought it be unfair for people to have another copy of BF1943 when they just paid for the first copy.
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Will DICE ever release ALL the attachments for every gun? I was hoping to use my G3A3 W/ Bipod, Heavy Barrel and a 12x Scope = My wannabe PSG-1. But nooooooooo..... I can only use a 6x Rifle Scope. :(
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Lol n00b. I just use a dot sight
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I'd use it as a make shift sniper rifle. Since all of them other than the M39 and M40A5 suck.
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sv98!
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LOL Bad Company on Karkand.
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I fail to see such case....
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enhanced destruction? us vs russia? the visual style of this trailer is also a bit reminiscent to the Bad Company 2 trailers for the map packs and limited edition
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what's wrong with the trailers? Probably it's the same marketing team, problem?
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Just cause it's US vs RU doesn't mean it's Bad Company, but I do agree. I miss the old Red team versus Blue team aspect, it's like developers have forgotten about it. They shouldn't have factions if they're just gonna have the same two as before OVER and OVER, especially on Middle Eastern Maps. The game has four factions(five if counting the CIA) in SP, but only two in MP. Doesn't matter though, we'll just pretend it's Red and Blue teams.
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I wish DICE had done PLR/Iran in MP. Then again, it'd be mostly PLR vs USMC in MP if that were the case -- maybe one map with RU vs PLR or RU vs USMC (and that'd be Caspian Border)
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@yuriklaskov: every aspect of PLR Is dumb. They use basically RU equipment, should be iranain army and French GIGN.
- RU gets replaced by irainian army in every map except caspian border (make 2 maps near them)
- GIGN replaces the USMC in every map set in France (Siene crossing and op metro)
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Well PLR would be better for Seine and Op Metro; PLR vs GIGN, y'know?
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IRL GIGN doesn't even reach 100 men, what are the chances? ^^ lol
EDIT: LOL got update, apparently they have now, nvm xD
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The USMC could be replaced with the French Army or something. It's not like it MUST be a spec ops team.
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GIGN isn't really spec ops.
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It's more like Spec-Cops. They're a special branch of the Gendarmerie Nationale or some such thing. Kinda like SWAT, the Special Branch or Alpha Group.
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LOL Troll of BF Wiki.
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^ ?
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GIGN are Paramilitary They specialize in counterterrorism and hostage crisis.
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no fellas the gign r counter terrorist. the french foreign legion are spec ops theyll fuk up ur day if u come across em :)
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I only hope Karkand will be more city-like, akin to Tehran Highway.
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That map sucks. It feels like I've played a million other times on a million other games
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You're on crack then.
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Tehran Highway is pretty good. Some nice armor/infantry combat mixed in. Plus, they have IFV's in that map, whereas one of the other maps has a side having IFV's, only to be shelled by tanks before hitting shoreline.
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Noshahr Canals
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^Main thing I don't like is that you stall on it at about an altitude of 250 meters, how the hell am I supposed to give ground attacks on a supersonic jet if I can't maneuver?!
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Noshahr Canals is the WORST map for jets in Battlefield 3, you stall every single time you try to dogfight.
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how dou win a rush game on tehran highway?? drive ur fkn aav 7av in to the fkn mcom nd ull win :) (tips from a pro)
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Any word on more mobile AA being in the maps because I love the Tunguska 9K22(my best vehicle 100 kills) and would love to have it. Alongside the LAV-AD.
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Agreed, moar AA vehicles, plus with the floating fortress of doom, we will need it
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Agreed were gonna need it even if we have the great IFV were gonna get creamed by the F-35. more AA vehicles. There fun and somewhat useful against infantry.
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Yes, this. And to think that consoles don't even have any Anti-Air except on Noshahr Canals Rush. It won't be overpowered in Back to Karkand except maybe on Wake Island. And air vehicles have the same air space room on consoles as on PC. So I don't see what the problem is.
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We may have the LAV-AD on wake island. because the appearently the US are the ATTackers and the RU have a good amount of fighters and helis, with the LAV-AD apparently amphibious it could make a shining appearance on wake.
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it's like moh 2010, they hyped the destruction, yet there is none
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They never hyped the destruction or anything in MoH 2010.
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As a matter of fact, they advertised it as having minimal destruction compared to Battlefield.
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From anon to anon lol,
I don't understand how advertising it as having minimal destruction compared to battlefield is hyping the destruction, they're basically telling you there will be less. Your logic fails lol.....
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they should update the original game to extend the level of destruction. they sold this game with destruction 3.0, so why the fuck didnt they use it well? did ea & dice just lie to us?
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You can't just go back and redo an entire map without major updates, both client and server-side -- let alone 9 maps (and 5 gamemodes each) That'd be a really long-term project.
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They could try to do it all with mini-updates that made part of a map completely destructible, and after a while, the entire map could be torn to rubble with excessive tank, grenade, and rocket launcher use
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@Yuri I believe they said they would work with BF3 for a few more years, full support, dlc, major updates, etc. It may take them a while, but they can do it.
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I'll give the conference people a 3-second head start before I spin up my guns.
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So your a Little Bird boss too, eh? Eiffel Tower!!!
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3-second head start to grab the IGLAs...
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IGLA: beepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
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boom
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+100 Vehicle Disabled
+50 Vehicle Destroyed
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*hops on jet*
+100 Enemy Killed
+50 Avenger Bonus
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That was a perfect simulation
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You guys forgot flares
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well... BBP was setting up the recording for his destruction of the conference centre. He desperately wanted that YT viral. So he missed his death...
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@Slopijoe: Me: *shoots stinger*... come on, come on, hit it, allmoo- GOD DAMN FLARES.
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Rank UP: You have been promoted (and are like dice who love their shotguns)
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1. *Respawn* 2. Get in Tunguska 3. Rape enemy team with a bullet lawn mower. 4. ??? 5. People going "NERF NOW!!!!1!"
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^you mean PROFIT! ?
They need to nerf so it doesn't go down to "infantry level"
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No it's fine it's armor is near pathetic and only take 2 or 3 RPG. And rarely I see people go frontal assault on noshar Canals on rush.
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~BBP gets in a Little Bird~
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Profit!
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-Calls in Tunguska 9K22-
His flight has been bin grounded.
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so why would a dlc have full destruction while the original game doesnt?
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why cant bf3 have an update with destruction?
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so if the expansion uses the destruction engine fully, will it work on the other maps as well?
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I don't think so.
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battlefield 3 and MW3 arent that epic, just fucking fun BOTH!
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And another blog bites the editing dust...
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Not. If EA was Activision this would be called Battlefield 4
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hehe...
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Or Bad Company 3.
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Or Medal of Honnor 2
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Medal of Honor 2 is in development.
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^ Source, or it's not happening.
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Well there was a tease for MOH2 as explained in this blog post.
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